Is WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning a hero or a traitor?

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Bradley Manning has been arrested as the source of the Collateral Murder video and the Afghan War Diary. Did he betray his country or did his country betray him?

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WilliamSqualus Posted on 30. Jul, 08:01 PM

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A hero is someone who takes a grave personal risk to do the right thing. It’s clear that Manning took a grave personal risk as he is now held incommunicado in a military holding facility. So we must then ask if Manning did the right thing by releasing the “Afghan war diary” and the collateral murder video of U.S. soldiers murdering civilians to WikiLeaks.

To those that say he is a traitor, I must ask what he is betraying? A group of murdering thugs? An illegal war of occupation? Stop me if I get it right...

The real traitors are the American soldiers who have invaded another country and murder innocent people. The real cowards are the soldiers who see this everyday and remain silent. Soldiers who refuse to be deployed to far away lands and murder folks and those that speak out about the holocaust in Afghanistan and Iraq are true American heroes. Our country was never meant to become an American Empire that expands by invading other countries and murdering their citizens indiscriminately.

Besides the murdering, can anyone tell me the purpose of being “over there?” Is it so the terrorists don’t come over here and murder civilians? Isn’t that exactly what we see in the video? So what exactly does that make us? And when one of our soldiers stands up and says, “killing innocent people is wrong” we toss him in jail and throw away they key. No wonder they hate us...

Manning has taken a grave risk to do the right thing and expose these atrocities. Without him we may never have known the extent of the crimes being committed by Imperial American Stormtroopers. I feel pity for anyone who believes a hero is someone who murders people who can do them no harm from a helicopter. Courage is having the strength to do what you must. Bradley Manning has given the citizens of the United States a wake up call to what has been happening in Afghanistan and Iraq. There are no book deals, no one paid him for his information, he doesn’t have a movie deal lined up. He has lost nearly everything to do what he feels is right. At this very moment he sits alone in a prison cell facing decades more of imprisonment while the murderers he exposed face no consequences for their crimes. Disgusting.

  • xVampyricx Posted on 16. Aug, 02:45 AM

    He definitely is a hero.

    He's helping bring transparency and accountability to government and military actions. Without these the government is given the ability to freely do whatever they wish, such as killing these civilians, without any consequences. Whereas if a normal citizen went about and did the exact same thing, you can bet your ass they'd be going to death row.


  • joseph Posted on 08. Aug, 10:31 AM

    For all of you who "know" what is going on over there, shut off your TV, get a library card, and serve your country.

    I don't care if you "know someone" who is in the military until you are yourself and have deployed to this war stop thinking you know what is going on and you know what this traiter is doing and why he did it.

    He deliberately violated national security.

    He is an enemy.


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 05. Aug, 06:47 PM

    I'm getting a lot of responses from facebook justifying the murder of Iraqis as "self defense" from the gunship pilots. I have to wonder if these people know what self defense even means... Let me give you a hint: if you're in no danger then it's not self defense. You can tell by the delay in the video between the sound of the shots and the impact of the bullets that they were very far away when the civilians were murdered. The murdered reporters and other bystanders were milling about and on their cellphone when they were hit with bullets from half a mile away.

    If you're in no danger and you kill people who can't harm you, that's murder. It doesn't matter if some government official gave you permission or not. You can hear the pleasure in the helicopter gunners voice as he's waiting to shoot the minivan full of children and good Samaritans. Which brings me to another disturbing argument people make when talking about this video. They even defend the helicopter gunner mowing down the minivan. They argue that the van should have known better than to go into a "war zone." What these muder-apologists don't realize is that this is a neighborhood. These people in the van probably lived there. I mean, they had their kids in it. If you're marching off to war you don't tote your kids in the van with you....

    The people in the van stopped to render aid to a photographer that had been shot and they were riddled with bullets as their reward. That's what the US calls "winning hearts and minds" by murdering parents in front of children (and then refusing them medical aid of course). Also they shoot the kids for good measure...

    I guess the people who support the collateral murder shooters just have a warped sense of self defense. Iraq never attacked us or was any threat and they still argue that US mercenaries (soldiers) need to be over there for "self defense." I'm really not sure how you can call invading another country that didn't attack you self defense. These are the same people who justify having US mercenaries in 150 countries world wide. I forget who said it but, "if having US soldiers in 150 countries around the world is the Department of Defense, I sure as hell wouldn't want to see what offense looks like."


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alphasaur Posted on 01. Aug, 01:28 PM

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This sort of behavior is unacceptable and manning is a hero for leaking this. Imo, it is the right of the american public to see what their tax dollars are paying for, the murder of civilians. Sure there are "terrorists" and "infidels" however their hate towards the west is justified due to the bullshit the west has pulled in the middle east during the20th century.

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xVampyricx Posted on 16. Aug, 02:53 AM

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He definitely is a hero.

He's helping bring transparency and accountability to government and military actions. Without these the government is given the ability to freely do whatever they wish, such as killing these civilians, without any consequences. Whereas if a normal citizen went about and did the exact same thing, you can bet your ass they'd be going to death row.

  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 20. Aug, 11:09 PM

    Good point. "I thought there was a small possibility he might have a weapon so I killed everyone. Then I killed everyone who tried to help the people I Killed" doesn't hold up so well in court.


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TheTruthMatters Posted on 19. Aug, 11:46 AM

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Bradly Manning is a hero: Any man brave enough to stand up for what is right in a world gone so wrong is a HERO!
He has a concious something that seems to be lacking in the miltary personnel in this video - they killed journalists, citizens trying to help the wounded and children. They were so ancious just to kill and the one man was wounded and down - could have sent ground support to find out the situation. The van had 2 children in it and they had stopped to help a wounded man. The sophisticatd and advanced equipment in those aircraft should have been able to see the man carried a camera not a gun. ( Even if it was a gun ...do you know if he was good guy or bad?) The conversation with the miltary soldiers voices was the excitment of the kill - like a video game. They had no intelligence or reason to open fire except they think they saw a gun. They did not even know the purpose for the group of men (journalist) were on the street...so why open fire and kill people when you don't know if they are friend or foe. What is the mentality thinking of the troops over there we have the guns ..we are american so kill anybody you feel like it???? Wake UP

  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 20. Aug, 11:11 PM

    That's the thing, the people they murdered made no aggressive moves. It was some guys walking around and they murdered them from half a mile away. A lot of people who are pro-murder keep mentioning that these people should not have been in a "war zone." What part of Iraq is not a war zone? I guess anything that moves in Iraq is an insurgent in the war zone.


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patriot Posted on 31. Jul, 12:43 AM

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your a fool, and evident of military law. whether the war is legit or not. as far asthe innocent civilians are concerned, how do you know this were u there? I don't think so. there are ways for these things to be handle and as the (so called commander n chief) Obama has said that the controversial information has already been delt with.

  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 05. Aug, 06:57 PM

    This is about the 10th time someone on facebook has told me the Apache helicopter acted in self defense. I even had someone argue that the Apache was unarmored and therefore vulnerable to attack by Reuters reporters. The Apache gunship can withstand hits from a 12.7 mm rounds. Apache tactics dictate that they stay out of range of enemy fire and are armored in case they do take fire. Which is a mute point anyway since they were not being fired at. It is sickening to hear these murders justified because the helicopter was "under fire." Here is a link for reference:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/apache-helicopter6.htm


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 05. Aug, 06:48 PM

    I'm getting a lot of responses from facebook justifying the murder of Iraqis as "self defense" from the gunship pilots. I have to wonder if these people know what self defense even means... Let me give you a hint: if you're in no danger then it's not self defense. You can tell by the delay in the video between the sound of the shots and the impact of the bullets that they were very far away when the civilians were murdered. The murdered reporters and other bystanders were milling about and on their cellphone when they were hit with bullets from half a mile away.

    If you're in no danger and you kill people who can't harm you, that's murder. It doesn't matter if some government official gave you permission or not. You can hear the pleasure in the helicopter gunners voice as he's waiting to shoot the minivan full of children and good Samaritans. Which brings me to another disturbing argument people make when talking about this video. They even defend the helicopter gunner mowing down the minivan. They argue that the van should have known better than to go into a "war zone." What these muder-apologists don't realize is that this is a neighborhood. These people in the van probably lived there. I mean, they had their kids in it. If you're marching off to war you don't tote your kids in the van with you....

    The people in the van stopped to render aid to a photographer that had been shot and they were riddled with bullets as their reward. That's what the US calls "winning hearts and minds" by murdering parents in front of children (and then refusing them medical aid of course). Also they shoot the kids for good measure...

    I guess the people who support the collateral murder shooters just have a warped sense of self defense. Iraq never attacked us or was any threat and they still argue that US mercenaries (soldiers) need to be over there for "self defense." I'm really not sure how you can call invading another country that didn't attack you self defense. These are the same people who justify having US mercenaries in 150 countries world wide. I forget who said it but, "if having US soldiers in 150 countries around the world is the Department of Defense, I sure as hell wouldn't want to see what offense looks like."


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 31. Jul, 12:57 AM

    Are you suggesting I'm ignorant of military law? My understanding is that if a soldiers are REQUIRED to ignore illegal orders. If they follow them then they are responsible for the consequences. Is this not correct?

    As far as them being innocent or not, the video clearly shows they are non-combatants. The papers from the wikileak document all kinds of "incidents" where US soldiers murder civilians.

    While I wasn't there for this incident, if I were I wouldn't have shot a group of people who weren't hostile. The "soldiers" in that helicopter weren't in any danger, it's not like this was a heat of battle mistake. They calmly observed a group of people walking around and then got excited about murdering them and pulled the trigger. Were we watching 2 different videos?

    A real "patriot" would never support murdering people who were doing no harm. I suppose you think it's quite heroic when they shot up a van that came on the scene to take a wounded photographer to the hospital. Wow, we've spent a trillion dollars to have US soldiers murder a Reuters photographer and then shoot up a van with children in it. I feel safer already!

    Oh I guess those kids sitting in the mini-van were evil "terra-rists" and that's why the soldiers on the scene refused to get them medical attention after they shot them. This is your version of patrotism?


Is WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning a hero or a traitor?


Manning’s arrest information from Wikipedia:

Bradley Manning (born 1987) is a US Army intelligence analyst, PFC (formerly SPC) accused of leaking classified documents to the media. Manning was arrested by the United States Army Criminal Investigation Command in May 2010 and detained without charge for over a month in a military jail at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait.[1][2][3] In early July, two misconduct charges were brought against him for "transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system" and "communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source".[2][4] The maximum jail sentence is 52 years.[1] Lieutenant Colonel Eric Bloom has said that "as part of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the next step in proceedings would be an Article 32 Hearing, which is similar to a grand jury. An investigating officer will be appointed, and that officer looks into all facts of the matter, does an investigation, and upon conclusion, the findings will be presented to a convening court martial authority. The division commander will consider based on what is in that, what the next steps are. Either there is enough evidence or not enough evidence to proceed to a court-martial ... A date has not yet been set. We haven't even identified the investigating officer. We're still in the early stages of this case".[1]

Manning allegedly told journalist and former hacker Adrian Lamo via instant messaging that he had leaked the "Collateral Murder" video (of the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike), in addition to a video of the Granai airstrike and around 260,000 diplomatic cables, to the whistleblower website Wikileaks.[5][6] Lamo handed the instant messenger chat logs to U.S. investigators, who began searching for evidence to determine whether Manning's apparent statements to Lamo were true.[3] The "Collateral Murder" video showed an attack by a U.S. helicopter crew on a group of men presumed to be insurgents. Two children were wounded, and several men were killed, including the father of the children and two men who were later identified as Reuters employees.[2][7][8] Manning reportedly said that the diplomatic documents expose "almost criminal political back dealings" and that they explain "how the first world exploits the third, in detail".[9][10] He said that he hoped the release of the videos and documents would lead to "worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms".[11] Manning reportedly wrote, "everywhere there’s a U.S. post, there’s a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed."[5] However, Wikileaks said "allegations in Wired that we have been sent 260,000 classified US embassy cables are, as far as we can tell, incorrect".[10][12] Wikileaks have said that they are unable as yet to confirm whether or not Manning was actually the source of the video, stating "we never collect personal information on our sources", but saying also that "if Brad Manning [is the] whistleblower then, without doubt, he's a national hero"[10] and "we have taken steps to arrange for his protection and legal defense".[6][13] On June 21, Julian Assange told The Guardian that WikiLeaks had hired three US criminal lawyers to defend Manning but that they had been denied access to him.[14][1] Boing Boing asked Lieutenant Colonel Eric Bloom whether Manning was "represented by any civilian attorney" and Bloom responded, "I do not know of any rebuffing. I've been in the military for 26 years, and I've never heard of any party's attempt to secure legal representation being denied. We don't rebuff representation".[1]


From WikiLeaks:

Sunday, July 26 5pm EST.


WikiLeaks today released over 75,000 secret US military reports covering the war in Afghanistan.

The Afghan War Diary an extraordinary secret compendium of over 91,000 reports covering the war in Afghanistan from 2004 to 2010. The reports describe the majority of lethal military actions involving the United States military. They include the number of persons internally stated to be killed, wounded, or detained during each action, together with the precise geographical location of each event, and the military units involved and major weapon systems used.

The Afghan War Diary is the most significant archive about the reality of war to have ever been released during the course of a war. The deaths of tens of thousands is normally only a statistic but the archive reveals the locations and the key events behind each most of these deaths. We hope its release will lead to a comprehensive understanding of the war in Afghanistan and provide the raw ingredients necessary to change its course.

Most entries have been written by soldiers and intelligence officers listening to reports radioed in from front line deployments. However the reports also contain related information from Marines intelligence, US Embassies, and reports about corruption and development activity across Afghanistan.

Each report consists of the time and precise geographic location of an event that the US Army considers significant. It includes several additional standardized fields: The broad type of the event (combat, non-combat, propaganda, etc.); the category of the event as classified by US Forces, how many were detained, wounded, and killed from civilian, allied, host nation, and enemy forces; the name of the reporting unit and a number of other fields, the most significant of which is the summary - an English language description of the events that are covered in the report.

The Diary is available on the web and can be viewed in chronological order and by by over 100 categories assigned by the US Forces such as: "escalation of force", "friendly-fire", "development meeting", etc. The reports can also be viewed by our "severity" measure-the total number of people killed, injured or detained. All incidents have been placed onto a map of Afghanistan and can be viewed on Google Earth limited to a particular window of time or place. In this way the unfolding of the last six years of war may be seen.

The material shows that cover-ups start on the ground. When reporting their own activities US Units are inclined to classify civilian kills as insurgent kills, downplay the number of people killed or otherwise make excuses for themselves. The reports, when made about other US Military units are more likely to be truthful, but still down play criticism. Conversely, when reporting on the actions of non-US ISAF forces the reports tend to be frank or critical and when reporting on the Taliban or other rebel groups, bad behavior is described in comprehensive detail. The behavior of the Afghan Army and Afghan authorities are also frequently described.

The reports come from US Army with the exception most Special Forces activities. The reports do not generally cover top-secret operations or European and other ISAF Forces operations. However when a combined operation involving regular Army units occurs, details of Army partners are often revealed. For example a number of bloody operations carried out by Task Force 373, a secret US Special Forces assassination unit, are exposed in the Diary -- including a raid that lead to the death of seven children.

This archive shows the vast range of small tragedies that are almost never reported by the press but which account for the overwhelming majority of deaths and injuries.

We have delayed the release of some 15,000 reports from total archive as part of a harm minimization process demanded by our source. After further review, these reports will be released, with occasional redactions, and eventually, in full, as the security situation in Afghanistan permits.

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