Will Dave Ramsey get you out of debt just to make you poor?

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Dave Ramsey is famous for his debt reduction advice, but can he help you become a millionaire?

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WilliamSqualus Posted on 18. Jul 2010, 08:36 PM

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The only thing that Dave Ramsey says that makes any sense is when he tells people to get out of debt. This is the reason he is famous? It’s not like he theorized Hawking radiation (that was Hawking). With this simple minded advice he has become one of the top personal finance experts? If I tell people not to burn themselves while cooking can I be considered a world class chef?

Here is a direct quote from Ramsey that I made up, “I tell people whatever they want to hear so I can make money off of their ignorance.” Perhaps I am being too harsh though. There is saying that you should never attribute to maliciousness what can be attributed to foolishness. So we will give him the benefit of the doubt and just think of him as a fool.

The video is ridiculous for many reasons. Let’s enumerate them.
1) He says you can drive a car for a year and sell it for the same amount you bought it for. I guess he thinks the added age and mileage on a car have no effect on the value. I said he’s a fool already right?
2) He’s assuming a rate of return on a mutual fund of 12%. To say the least, that seems unlikely. I also doubt he has taken mutual fund fees and taxes into consideration. If he’s not just bullshitting his followers why doesn’t he name the mutual fund that will return 12% over the next 30 years?
3) From the imaginary numbers in my second point Ramsey goes on to talk about how you can get free cars and become a millionaire. Even if we were to assume 12% returns you couldn’t buy cars and have the money grow the amount he claims. I can’t tell if he’s being intentionally misleading or if he’s allergic to math and telling the truth.
4) The DJIA from July 18, 2000 was 10,739.92 and the number from July 18 2010 is 10,098. So the average has certainly gone down in the past 10 years. These numbers don’t even include the fees, taxes, inflation, or any of the companies that were removed from the DJIA. So we can see that if you followed Ramsey’s advice you became poorer as a result.

Am I judging him too harshly? During the hustle and bustle of the boom times 2000’s how could he see it coming? As late as January 23, 2008 he said a caller’s father was foolish for pulling out of the stock market and investing in gold. If he couldn’t see a problem with the stock market then how can anyone take his future predictions seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S98_eMax9xo&feature=related

DJIA Jan 23, 2008: 12,270

DJIA Today: 10,098

Gold Jan 23, 2008: $888.25

Gold Today: $1191.80


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 30. Jul 2010, 08:33 PM

    Dave Ramsey banned me from his wall, I guess he get tired of people asking him why they lost some much money listening to his advice.


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 26. Jul 2010, 04:50 PM

    This is the man's own voice calling a man an idiot for pulling out of the market and investing in a rising asset. Dave Ramsey couldn't even see the recession coming when it was right in front of him. The numbers in this post are self-explanatory. If you did what Ramsey said you would have lost money. If you Ramsey was saying the same stuff 10 years ago and you followed his advice you would have lost even more money.


  • WilliamSqualus Posted on 25. Jul 2010, 01:47 PM

    I'm getting some responses from some Facebook Dave Ramsey fans. Most of which have something to say about me being poor and in debt for the rest of my life. I know you admire Dave Ramsey, and thus have poor reasoning skills, but try reading the article again. I clearly state his advice to get out of debt is good. The problem is when he offers financial advice when he is clearly clueless.

    I'm sorry to any graduates of his "university" where you spend a couple thousand bucks to watch videos of him talking about using magic to automatically get 12% returns no matter what fund you invest in, but it doesn't work that way. I hope he told you which funds to invest in to get those returns. He never takes inflation, fees, and taxes into account when discussing returns. Either he is being misleading or he simply doesn't understand them. Well, maybe both....


Will Dave Ramsey get you out of debt just to make you poor?


Dave Ramsey is considered by many to be a personal finance expert and thousands of people have credited him with helping them get out of debt for good. If that weren’t enough Dave Ramsey will show you how you can get free cars for life and become a millionaire. Sound too good to be true? Is Dave Ramsey the answer to your financial woes or is he just another Shamwow Guy?

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